When does influence cross the line into manipulation, and at what point does one lose sight of their moral and legal responsibilities as a parent? These are the central questions posed in a recent episode of "Hidden Killers," where host Tony Brueski and former prosecutor Laurie Gilbertson delve into the complex case of Ruby and Kevin Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt.
 
 Kevin Franke claims he was brainwashed by the teachings of his wife, Ruby, and her accomplice, Jodi Hildebrandt, leading to his unawareness of the abuse his children suffered. Gilbertson, weighing in on this assertion, questions the validity of the brainwashing claim. "Brainwashing just doesn't seem to cut it for me," she states, highlighting the moral lapse in Kevin’s absence as a father. The discussion probes the distinction between toxic codependency and deliberate neglect, with Gilbertson expressing disbelief at the extent of Kevin's alleged unawareness.
 
 The conversation then shifts to the broader implications of Kevin's inaction. Gilbertson draws attention to the moral and potential legal ramifications of his choice to stay away from his children, despite there being no legal decree enforcing this separation. "Morally, 100% he needed to be taking responsibility," Gilbertson emphasizes, outlining the stark contrast between his claims of ignorance and the publicly available evidence of abuse on Ruby's YouTube channel.
 
 The panelists also touch upon the role of public perception and community response in such cases. Neighbors and viewers of the YouTube channel were alarmed enough to alert authorities, yet Kevin remained ostensibly oblivious to the unfolding situation. This dissonance raises questions about his complicity and the degree of his moral failing.
 
 Gilbertson delves into the legal aspects, explaining the potential for civil liability in cases where a parent fails to fulfill their duties, even in the absence of a formal separation agreement. She suggests that Kevin's voluntary choice to stay away from his children, despite being fully aware of Ruby's controversial parenting methods, could place him in a precarious legal position.
 
 As the episode concludes, Brueski and Gilbertson reflect on the fine line between influence and manipulation in familial relationships. The Franke-Hildebrandt case emerges as a cautionary tale about the consequences of relinquishing parental responsibility and the dangers of blindly following a partner's lead, especially when it concerns the wellbeing of children.
 
 In a world where the boundaries of influence are often blurred, how do we ensure that parents fulfill their moral and legal responsibilities to their children, particularly in the face of potential manipulation or coercion? This remains an open question, inviting further contemplation and discourse.
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