In this special episode, host Evan Banks sits down with RAND researchers Heather Williams and Richard (Dic) Donohue. Williams, a former intelligence officer, and Donohue, a former police sergeant, recount their personal experiences with trauma and traumatic stress. They also discuss the work they do now, which focuses on what is needed to ensure intelligence and law enforcement professionals get the mental health support they need. For more information on this week’s episode, visit rand.org/podcast.