Spencer Cox, the Republican governor of Utah, and Troy Williams, the Democrat at the head of Utah’s most active LGBTQ rights organization, don’t buy the notion that a good way to stand for the ideas on your side is to attack the people on the other. Reflecting on their sometimes contentious relationship, the two talk with Mónica about how they’ve both been able to advance their sides through honest dialogue and good-faith engagement, resulting in some surprising win-win policy outcomes for the people in their state.    Featured Song: “While There Is Still Time”- Hillary Rollins and Michele Brourman A Braver Way is a production of Braver Angels.  We get financial support from the M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust and Reclaim Curiosity. If you’ve found yourself mulling on a concern or reflection as you’ve listened, turn it into a question and share it with us in a quick email to abraverway@braverangels.org. Mónica and friends will be answering questions on an upcoming episode. If you like what you’ve heard, hit subscribe, give us that 5 star review, and share this episode with your friends all across the political spectrum and, um, any elected representatives you happen to know? We’d love to hear from them!  Follow us on Instagram at @abraverway Disagree Better- National Governor’s Association Chair’s Initiative Equality Utah is Utah's Premier LGBTQ Civil Rights Organization Gangstagrass- Artists in Residence Braver Angels Braver Network