Welcome to Season 5 Episode 11 of Art Is… a podcast for artists. Isotta, your host, is excited to kick off this episode with a personal reflection on the journey undertaken in Season 5. It's been a season filled with growth, collaboration, and exploration of new ideas, and Isotta will be sharing some thoughts on these developments.One of the central themes explored in this episode is the concept of being "self-referential." This idea was introduced to Isotta by Daniel Arsham during his keynote commencement address at Cooper Union in 2020. Arsham emphasized the importance of trusting oneself and one's creative vision in the long term, encouraging the drawing upon past ideas and references to create consistency and flow in one's work. Central to this idea is patience, allowing ideas to marinate for years even before coming to fruition in physical form.Isotta and Lauryn, co-hosts of Art Is..., took Arsham's message to heart and extended this idea into Season 5. They've been referencing past interviews and episodes through clips in each episode, embracing an evergreen mindset. This approach ensures that their work continues to serve the emerging art community, providing lasting impact.In this vein, Lauryn also shares a clip from her previous interview with multidisciplinary creative, Kia Warren, where they discuss her experiences working in various creative fields and meeting famous artists at the Surf Lodge. Kia's journey challenges the narrative of being a "jack of all trades and master of none" while providing a thoughtful perspective into the career of a cross genre multi-hyphenate creative.Isotta and Lauryn then delve into their thoughts on the clips from Kia's interview and Arsham's keynote, breaking down some common narratives about creativity and the art world.To wrap things up, Lauryn takes the audience on a brief journey to the TASCHEN Beverly Hills store, where Season 5 of Art Is... was recorded. She shares insights about one of her favorite books from the store, tying it all together with their ongoing exploration of the art world and the creative industries.Whether you're an artist or an art enthusiast, this episode is bound to spark your creativity and expand your creative horizons. Thanks for tuning in to Art Is... a podcast for artists!Topics covered: Personal reflective note from Isotta on the making of season 5 and the developments in her practice since the beginning of the season including thoughts on segmentation, collaboration and opening yourself to new ideas The notion of being “self referential” which was introduced to Isotta by Daniel Arsham in his  keynote commencement address for Cooper Union in 2020  Arsham’s discussion on the importance of trusting yourself, and your creative vision in the long term, and allowing yourself to draw upon past ideas and references to create consistency and flow in your work Patience and practice, experiences and reflections on thisThe rationale of Season 5 explained: why Isotta nd Lauryn chose to include clips of past interviews and episodes through cThe idea of the evergreen mindset, creating lasting impactful work that will continue to serve the emerging art communityLauryn shares a clip from her previous interview with multidisciplinary creative Kia WarrenKia shares about her time at surf lodge meeting famous artists Kia’s experience doing many different creative types of work, managing multiple interests and passions - pushing back on the “jack of all trades and master of none” narrativeIsotta and Lauryn share their thoughts on the Warren clip and Arsham keynote and do some narrative busting Lauryn shares about one of her favorite books in the TASCHEN Beverly Hills store, the location where Season 5 of the Art Is… podcast was recorded Resources Mentioned: Daniel Arsham Cooper Union Commencement Address Keynote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvLgSp6UBoMKia Warren https://www.instagram.com/kiaifaniwarren/?hl=en The Surf Lodge https://www.thesurflodge.com/music Thomas