Dr. George R. (Al) Goethals is the E. Claiborne Robins Distinguished Professors in Leadership Studies Emeritus at the University of Richmond. Previously at Williams College he served as chair of the Department of Psychology, Acting Dean of the Faculty, Provost, and founding chair of the Program in Leadership Studies.   Goethals’ published books include Heroes:  What They Do and Why We Need Them (2010) and Heroic Leadership:  An Influence Taxonomy of 100 Exceptional Individuals (2013, both with Scott T. Allison).  More recently he authored Presidential Leadership and African Americans: “An American Dilemma” from Slavery to the White House (2015), Realignment, Region and Race:  Presidential Leadership and Social Identity (2018), and The Romance of Heroism and Heroic Leadership (2019, with Allison).  Goethals received the 2022 Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Leadership Association.  With Allison and Georgia J. Sorenson he is co-editor of the Sage Encyclopedia of Leadership Studies (2023).  A Quote From this Episode"Burns never used the term 'transformational' leadership - it was always ‘transforming'... I would prefer that people, when they think of Burns, think of 'transforming' and think of the moral component, which really is central to all of his work."About The International Leadership Association (ILA)The ILA was created in 1999 to bring together professionals interested in studying, practicing, and teaching leadership. Plan for ILA's 25th Global Conference in Vancouver, British Columbia, October 12-15, 2023.About The Boler College of Business at John Carroll UniversityBoler offers four MBA programs – 1 Year Flexible, Hybrid, Online, and Professional. Each MBA track offers flexible timelines and various class structure options (online, in-person, hybrid, asynchronous). Boler’s tech core and international study tour opportunities set these MBA programs apart. Rankings highlighted in the intro are taken from CEO Magazine.About  Scott J. AllenWebsiteMy Approach to HostingThe views of my guests do not constitute "truth." Nor do they reflect my personal views in some instances. However, they are views to consider, and I hope they help you clarify your perspective. Nothing can replace your reflection, research, and exploration of the topic.