Epidemiologist Michael LeVasseur and data scientist Michael Donnelly join the show to discuss the path of coronavirus pandemic.  We talk about how various countries have responded to the pandemic and which have been successful, what specific factors make coronavirus a once-in-a-century threat, and which human interventions have the highest impact.  We also discuss the essay 'The Hammer and the Dance' as a potential path forward, and talk about how we can eventually recover parts of normal life and how the pandemic eventually ends. To all our listeners, stay safe wherever you are!  We're planning to keep producing episodes, recording from home, despite being quarantined in a COVID-19 hotspot.  Some will be about the pandemic and coronavirus, and some will be our usual content.  Thanks for listening and be well. If you enjoy the podcast, please rate and subscribe, and consider supporting us at patreon.com/neoliberalproject. Patrons get access to exclusive bonus episodes, our sticker-of-the-month club, and community Slack.  Become a supporter today! Follow us at: https://twitter.com/ne0liberal https://www.instagram.com/realneoliberal/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/1930401007051265/   Join a local meetup group at https://neoliberalproject.org/chapters