PEPFAR is widely hailed as one of the most impactful aid programs of all time, with credible estimates as high as 25 million lives saved. Former US Global AIDS coordinator and head of PEPFAR Dr. Mark Dybul joins the show to discuss how it all happened. We talk about the institutional challenges to make a program like this work effectively, how presidential leadership was important to make PEPFAR a reality, and why it's so important that we authorize the program again. Got questions? Send us a note at mailbag@cnliberalism.org Follow us at: https://twitter.com/CNLiberalism https://cnliberalism.org/   Join a local chapter at https://cnliberalism.org/become-a-member/