The discussion of other tech companies blaming Apple continues as Chuck Joiner, David Ginsburg, Brian Flanigan-Arthurs, Jim Rea, Eric Bolden, Web Bixby, Mark Fuccio, and Ben Roethig look at Apple's pricing structure and its impact on developers, focusing on the 15% commission for those earning under a million dollars. Spotify is having some financial struggles but seem to be refusing to take responsibility. The conversation shifts to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella's complaint about Bing's inability to compete with Google. Bing is Windows’ default search engine, but Chrome is dominant. If Chrome were available on iOS,it would it have a significant impact? The panel also explores Apple's involvement in advertising through deals with Yelp and TripAdvisor and speculate on their business strategy. (Part 2)  This edition of MacVoices is supported by MacVoices After Dark. What happens before and after the shows is uncensored, on-topic, off-topic, and always off the wall. Sign up as a MacVoices Patron and get access! http://patreon.com/macvoices Show Notes: Chapters: 0:02:31 Different rules for small business program and big developers 0:10:37 Renewal rates and different rules for large companies. 0:12:46 Apple's preferred search engine and Microsoft's competition efforts. 0:15:51 Microsoft's Dominance and Imitation 0:17:40 Microsoft's Low Browser Market Share 0:18:49 Microsoft's Attempt to Capture the Web 0:20:13 Safari vs. Chrome: Compatibility and Feature Differences 0:20:36 Edge and Chrome: Best Browsers for Podcast Recording Services 0:21:46 The Threat to Open Web with IOS Devices 0:22:39 Exploring the Google-Microsoft Browser Standards Debate 0:23:31 Proposals and Majority Votes in Standard Committees 0:25:22 Google's Advertising Business vs Apple's Stance 0:27:04 Apple's Development of In-House Search Engine 0:28:37 Apple's revenue stream from Google's advertising partnership 0:30:19 Apple's need for a backup plan in case of Google's aggression 0:32:04 Google's willingness to pay Apple despite having their own OS 0:32:48 The Impact of Google's Investment in Android Links: Spotify ‘unfairly held back’ by Google and Apple, CEO says  https://thenextweb.com/news/spotify-unfairly-held-back-by-google-and-apple-ceo-says Apple/Google Deal Makes it Impossible for Bing to Compete in Search, Claims Microsoft CEO Nadella  https://www.mactrast.com/2023/10/apple-google-deal-makes-it-impossible-for-bing-to-compete-in-search-claims-microsoft-ceo-nadella/ Apple has a next-gen search engine called Pegasus, but don’t expect a Google Search competitor yet  https://9to5mac.com/2023/10/02/apple-pegasus-google-search/ Guests: Web Bixby has been in the insurance business for 40 years and has been an Apple user for longer than that.You can catch up with him on Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn. Eric Bolden is into macOS, plants, sci-fi, food, and is a rural internet supporter. You can connect with him on Twitter, by email at embolden@mac.com, on Mastodon at @eabolden@techhub.social, and on his blog, Trending At Work. Brian Flanigan-Arthurs is an educator with a passion for providing results-driven, innovative learning strategies for all students, but particularly those who are at-risk. He is also a tech enthusiast who has a particular affinity for Apple since he first used the Apple IIGS as a student. You can contact Brian on twitter as @brian8944. He also recently opened a Mastodon account at @brian8944@mastodon.cloud. Mark Fuccio is actively involved in high tech startup companies, both as a principle at piqsure.com, or as a marketing advisor through his consulting practice Tactics Sells High Tech, Inc. Mark was a proud investor in Microsoft from the mid-1990's selling in mid 2000, and hopes one day that MSFT will be again an attractive investment. You can contact Mark through Twitter, LinkedIn, or on Mastodon. David Ginsburg is the host of the weekly podcast In Touch With iOS where he discusses all things iOS, iPhone, iPad, Apple TV, Apple Watch, and