The oh-so-lovely Hannah Austin of Needle OR Thread joins Jen to discuss the good ol' topic of “fine art vs craft” and how the community is shifting the dialogue and understanding while touching on how art forms/crafts typically labeled as "female" have usually been considered inferior to those traditionally done by men and the intersectionality of it all.  Hannah also shares how she started her business and how her art has been healing through tough times.Prefer to watch your podcasts? Watch on YouTube!Find us on the Making app:Hannah: @needle_or_threadJen: @KnitPurlneedleorthread.comLearn more about the National Day of Truth and Reconciliation. Music by Despatches. ? Download the Making app and join our amazing community of makers by visiting themakingapp.comIf you'd like to give a shout-out, have a question that you'd like us to answer on the podcast, or are interested in sponsoring Making Conversation, email us at hq@makingco.com.See you in the Making app!ps- We talk about our values a lot. Just in case you're curious, take a peek.