Twerking, OnlyFans, and the Music Industry: The Lexy Panterra Interview | Digital Social Hour #20

Navigating Legal Challenges as a YouTuber and Real Estate Investor with Spencer Cornelia #7: Hey there listeners! This week, I had the pleasure of welcoming Spencer Cornelia on the Digital Social Hour podcast. Spencer is a real estate investor, YouTuber, and all-around entrepreneur who has accumulated considerable wealth in his young career. Spencer shares his love for his city, Vegas, and how he moved from the Bay Area to enjoy a lower-cost lifestyle. His investment strategy of house-hacking, where he has four properties with 18 tenants that he manages, has been influential in his success. Spencer offers an affordable rental option for those struggling to find affordable rent, where it costs approximately $700-$800 to move into one of his shared houses. Clever thinking, right?We discuss in this episode the future of the US real estate market and how Spencer sees it mostly as a renters' nation. He talks about the challenges people face while looking for affordable housing, and by Digital Social Hour

29 min listen

Owning a Night Club at 19 to Getting Banned on OnlyFans | Tony Toutouni Digital Social Hour #10: Hey there, podcast listeners! This week's episode of the Digital Social Hour is a must-listen featuring none other than the man himself, Tony Toutouni. Toutouni has a vast and storied career in the nightlife industry, and his interview with Sean Kelly and Shawn Chase is one for the books. From starting his career at 19 by opening a nightclub with someone else as a front, to owning a telemarketing company that sold hair products online and doing infomercials on TV, Tony's journey to where he is today is nothing short of fascinating. He talks about how the club scene has changed over the years and how posers and wannabes have taken over, and how the girls who used to be strippers have now moved to OnlyFans and other bigger opportunities. Speaking of OnlyFans, Tony also opens up about his ban from the platform and how he felt about it. by Digital Social Hour

34 min listen

Inside the Mind of a Maverick: A Poker Pro's Journey to Building a Casino Empire with Eric Persson #3: Hey there, Digital Social Hour listeners! Today's episode is an insightful conversation with Eric Persson, who owns 31 land-based casinos across three states. He started with nothing and grew his empire with his partner, Justin Belcher, through sheer determination and initiative. In this episode, Eric shares his journey, including how he survived the pandemic and beat the odds in the casino industry, as well as his passion for poker and how he balances his career with being a parent. We dive deep into the world of poker, including how AI advancements are changing the game and the differences between cash games and tournaments. Eric shares his experience with risk assessment in poker and how it translates into the business world. He also touches on the importance of social media in building a brand and creating a strong presence in the gaming industry. But it's not all ab by Digital Social Hour

31 min listen

Living Longer and Healthier with Gary Brecka | Digital Social Hour #14: This week we delve deep into the human biology of aging and longevity with a special guest, Gary Brecka. With a background in biology, human biology, and neuroscience, Gary spent 22 years as a researcher for the life insurance industry, refining the science of mortality to where it can accurately predict the day, date, time, location, and cause of death for 370 million lives. But after seeing the biggest reasons why people were dying early and not having healthy lifespans were unhealthy lifestyles, exposure to toxins, and a lack of oxygen, he made a conscious decision to leave the industry and teach people how to live healthy, happier, longer lives.We explore the importance of oxygen in our health, with many chronic fatigue sufferers sleeping poorly because of less oxygen in their blood. Hormone therapy, particularly testosterone therapy, can positively impact people's energy levels, but Gary warns us that by Digital Social Hour

48 min listen

How to Optimize Your Health: Advice from Sage Workinger 10x Health Systems | Digital Social Hour #1: Are you tired of relying on reactive medicine rather than preventive services? Do you struggle with mental health issues such as anxiety, depression, or ADHD? In this week's episode of Digital Social Hour, host Sean Kelly welcomes co-host Charlie Cavalier and guest Sage Workinger, founder of 10X Health Systems alongside her partner Gary Brecka. After being acquired by Grant Cardone, they plan to put a thousand clinics across the US in the next 36 months. The conversation covers a range of topics from functional and holistic medicine to the impact of food on your gut and mental state. Sage discuss their gene and blood test that measures 64 biomarkers to get people back in balance and feeling normal. Sage attributes her health success to this test and how it can help those with mental health issues identify the right vitamins and diet to correct imbalances and by Digital Social Hour

33 min listen

From Single-Family Homes to Private Jet's | Kris Krohn's Investment Strategy Digital Social Hour #18: Welcome to this week's episode where we have a candid conversation with Kris Krohn, a successful real estate investor and entrepreneur. Kris shares his secrets on how he has built a real estate portfolio worth billions of dollars and how he plans to become a trillionaire while living to be 140 years old. He discusses his preferred investment strategy of buying single-family homes below the median price, using an algorithm based on six specific criteria. Kris provides tangible examples of finding off-market deals and how he has successfully navigated through the 2008 financial crisis. He emphasizes the importance of adapting to the new economy and the benefits of investing in real estate. Kris also delves into his healthy lifestyle routine, spending two and a half hours daily in the gym and taking supplements while maintaining hormone balance. His deeply spiritual journey is a by Digital Social Hour

35 min listen

Spin Your Way to Success: The Forbes Riley Story | Digital Social Hour #9: Welcome to Digital Social Hour. In this episode, we are joined by Forbes Riley and Joshua Self. With a discussion that ranges from pitching to relationships, there's something for everyone in this episode. Forbes Riley is a pitching coach, and she shares her tips for effectively presenting your ideas and products. Forbes believes that people need to give clear and concise information when presenting their products to sell them effectively. She also talks about her experience transitioning from traditional business to online business and how she built a company that helps people become entrepreneurs. The speakers share personal stories of inspiration and success as the discussion continues. Forbes shares how she met her partner, who is a professional bodybuilder and the story behind the Spin gym. Forbes has sold two and a half million Spin gyms on home shopping for those who have not heard of it. She pr by Digital Social Hour

25 min listen

Breaking Out Of The Matrix with Multi-Millionaire Alex Morton | Digital Social Hour #25: Hey everyone! In our latest podcast episode, I'm thrilled to have Alex Morton join us, who recently moved to Las Vegas for the unbeatable no state income tax. You see, Alex was born in Houston and grew up in Columbus, Ohio, always fascinated by why some people are super wealthy and others struggle. At the young age of 18, he ventured into real estate and network marketing, and through his own experiences, he's on a mission to help you break free mentally and achieve the fulfilling life you deserve. We dive deep into Alex's life-changing encounter with Bob Proctor, a mentor who taught him the incredible power of mentality and mindset in determining one's success. His 13-year journey with Bob opened his eyes to the laws of the universe, the importance of network marketing, and how spirituality plays a role in our success. We also discuss the true value of relationships, intuition by Digital Social Hour

39 min listen

Leaving Wealth & Power Behind: The Inspiring Story of John Singson | Digital Social Hour #22: Welcome to the latest episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast. I'm thrilled to have John Singson as our guest today. John comes from a political family in the Philippines but left everything behind to make his own legacy in the USA. John's grandfather was a well-known and notorious Kingmaker and gangster who served multiple terms as governor. His family has over 20 members currently serving in government positions. John has an interesting business where he builds bomb-proof vehicles due to the dangerous conditions in the Philippines. He also owns a museum of stuffed animals in his backyard and has a personal liger. He comes from a wealthy family, and his grandfather owns six private jets. Despite all this, John chose to leave his family and wealth behind to make his own name in the USA, where he faced many dangerous situations due to his family's political ties. John belie by Digital Social Hour

31 min listen

Exposing the Dark Side of Fame: Vitaly's Return #6: Dear listeners, you are about to immerse yourself in a story of a man who lost the love of his life. Vitaly found himself losing everything, including his green card and facing deportation, until he struck a deal with the court. Through his darkest moments, Vitaly overcame addiction and gained clarity about his motivation for success. He shares his journey of uploading his first video in three years, trademarking "Make Money, Not Friends", and launching a new clothing brand. However, Vitaly is not just fighting for his own success. He is going against the government to champion those who want to make a change. His story will leave you astonished, from his time in jail, advocacy for testosterone injections, and even using Seeking Arrangements. But through it all, he has found a new light of motivation and creativity. Vitaly's experiences are a testament that growth can come from any situation. And in his new p by Digital Social Hour

61 min listen

The High Stakes Life of Banned Professional Gambler Mikki Mase : Digital Social Hour #11: Attention, fellow gamblers! Are you ready for a wild ride into the world of high stakes gambling? In this latest episode of The Digital Social Hour podcast, we'll hear from Mikki Mase, a controversial professional gambler who’s been banned from major establishments in Las Vegas. Mikki shares his journey into the world of gambling, detailing his experiences growing up as a child surrounded by high stakes gambler grandparents. Despite some poor decisions early in life, Mikki managed to turn himself into a successful businessman using his gambling skills. We’ll also hear from our hosts, Ari Gold and Sean Mike Kelly, as they discuss their experiences with gambling in Las Vegas and Los Angeles. They remind us that winning in casinos is not always the norm, and that only the 1% of gamblers have had a lifetime of winning. The conversation also touches on the issue of tattoos in the professi by Digital Social Hour

43 min listen

Tales From The Strip: Inside the High-Stakes World of Slot Gambling with Vegas Matt #5: Are you ready for an exciting episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast? This time, we have an exclusive guest, Vegas Matt, who is known for his slot gambling and viral videos on TikTok. During the interview, Vegas Matt reveals his secrets to responsible gambling, his favourite casinos, and the hold on slot machines. We also hear about his plans for a fun gambling trip to Las Vegas, along with a proposed face-off against DLucky, the number one slot gambler on TikTok.But that's not all! Vegas Matt also gives us insights into his successes in network marketing and real estate, including tips on how to grow a successful team. Plus, we discuss the similarities between affiliate marketing and network marketing.So, come on in and listen to this exciting episode of the Digital Social Hour. Vegas Matt and I eagerly await your arrival. Remember to gamble responsibly. Thumbnail made by LavaLampLabs</p by Digital Social Hour

27 min listen

Unveiling the Gronkowski Dynasty: From Sports to Entrepreneurship | Digital Social Hour #46: Get ready to buckle in for an unforgettable journey in our latest podcast episode. Join us as we unfold the fascinating interplay of illustrious guests Gordie, Sean, Kyle and Ari. These characters are not just sitting around today. They're engaged in a rollicking discussion that wormholes from banters about Gordie’s Vegas antics to the amazing world of stem cells for physical enhancement. You'll be privy to an insight-packed conversation about Gordie's role in their multiple businesses. Did their friendship actually pave the way to Game Seven Sports Group and a card, art, and memorabilia vertical? Find out here! There’s a buzz on pick-up games with older folks, sports betting, an IV bag confuddle, and so much more. Looking to squeeze in a hearty laugh? Wait until you hear about Gordie’s physical transformations and the allusion to his sports by Digital Social Hour

18 min listen

The Voltaggio Brothers: Taking Risks and Telling Stories through Food | Digital Social Hour #31: Ladies and gentlemen, you are in for a once-in-a-lifetime auditory treat! Our latest podcast episode features the fascinating journey of the Voltaggio brothers, Michael and Bryan, acclaimed chefs and founders of Retro, a groundbreaking new restaurant in Las Vegas.In this captivating conversation, we dive deep into their inspiring background, from their humbling beginnings to the valuable life lessons they've learned throughout their culinary careers. Join us as we explore their creative process, from developing unique dishes inspired by nostalgia and childhood memories, to their delightful recreation of SpaghettiOs and a key lime pie that'll leave you craving more. But wait, there's more! The Voltaggio brothers don't shy away from taking risks in their dishes and are thrilled to share some utterly astonishing dining experiences they by Digital Social Hour

33 min listen

The Secret to Multiple Successful Exits: Lessons from Derik Fay | Digital Social Hour #8: Welcome to the latest episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast! Today, I am excited to introduce our guest, Derik Fay, founder of 3F Management. Derik has built and sold almost 30 companies in various industries and considers himself a non-traditional venture capitalist. In this episode, Derik shares his expertise on providing a solid foundation, scaling well, and accelerating the trajectory of the founder or CEO and the operational team before demonstrating impressive exits. Derik has sold all companies at more than their value by following a presentation process and adding meaningful additional multiples to the exit. For someone looking to experience their first exit, Derik advises them not to go alone and identify the buyers who will pay the most. Negotiation tactics are essential for Derik, and he learned his skills at a young age in tough situations where everything was a negotiation. by Digital Social Hour

32 min listen

The Rise and Fall of a Crypto Trader: Lessons Learned from Zhi Ko | Digital Social Hour #4: Welcome to the latest episode of the Digital Social Hour podcast, hosted by Sean Kelly and Charlie Cavalier. This week, they're joined by the remarkable Zhi Ko. Zhi shares his passion for eSports and how he appreciates the business networking opportunities in Las Vegas. He talks about his tennis background and the Sports Academy he attended in High School. Tennis, like any other sport, has its share of risks, and Zhi reveals how he coped with injuries from his days on the court. He discusses his college tennis years and how he gradually transitioned to doubles. Tennis is a mental sport, as he puts it, and he shares some of his favorite experiences playing even in wilting weather. Zhi Ko made a remarkable transition to business life, thanks to the discipline and work ethic he picked up during his tennis career. He went on to become a cryptocurrency ex by Digital Social Hour

28 min listen

Behind the Chair: Candid Conversations with Kara Fades | Digital Social Hour #2: In today's episode, we're joined by Kara Fades, the talented hairdresser who's been making waves on TikTok. Kara charges a cool $125 for her haircuts and even treats her clients to a hand massage while they sit in her chair. But today's topic of discussion is whether Kara should charge even more for her top-notch services. Along with co-hosts Matt and Ari Gold, we dive into a variety of topics, ranging from business ideas to the appearance of Daddy Long Neck. We even brainstorm some possible names for a new business venture that offers haircuts and adult services in Nevada. But we don't stop there. We also talk about the ups and downs of being an influencer, the potential market for butthole shaves (yes, you read that right), and the merits of OnlyFans beyond adult content. Kara also opens up about nicking a client's genitals during a haircut and confesses by Digital Social Hour

28 min listen

Twerking, OnlyFans, and the Music Industry: The Lexy Panterra Interview | Digital Social Hour #20: Hey there, podcast fans! You're in for a treat with this latest episode, where we sit down with none other than Lexy Panterra, the singer, songwriter, dancer, entrepreneur, and daughter assistant whose twerkout class went viral and made her a household name. We cover a lot of ground with Lexy, from her thoughts on cheating in relationships to her views on dating as a successful woman. She also opens up about her health struggles with Crohn's disease and how she's managing it, and the ups and downs of her music career, including her ultimate goal of winning a Grammy. So, what are you waiting for? Give this episode a listen now and let us know what you think! --- Support this podcast: <a href="https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/digitalsocialhour/support" rel="payment">https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/ by Digital Social Hour

34 min listen

The Story of Howie Mandel | Digital Social Hour #12: Hey there, listeners! It's time for another exciting episode of “Digital Social Hour”! This week's guest is a multi-talented comedian, actor, and television personality, the one and only Howie Mandel. You heard it right - Howie appears as the host and guest of this podcast episode. At the beginning of the podcast, the hosts discuss Howie's decision to shave his head and his experience with creating fun hair designs. Howie also shares his concern for not taking good care of himself and his use of an IV drip. He reveals how his OCD and mysophobia have affected his life and the role it played in his decision to shave his head. The conversation shifts to Howie's role in the little monsters movie, where he spent 4-6 hours in makeup with rubber on his face in 100-degree weather. He also talks about being a game show host and the success of “Deal or No Deal”. However, Howie believes by Digital Social Hour

88 min listen

Hard Work and Dedication: The Secrets to Zion Clark's Success | Digital Social Hour #16: Welcome to the Digital Social Hour Podcast, where this week we are joined by two incredible guests, Zion and Craig. These two have an amazing story to tell and impart profound life lessons that will inspire you to reach your full potential. Zion shares his journey as a fighter, wrestling champion, and member of Team Body Shop. He talks about his first fight and shares insights on how to throw the perfect punch in MMA. Craig shares his experience with entrepreneurship, building a brand, and prioritizing authenticity over everything else. In this episode, we also discuss embarrassing treadmill experiences and the importance of motivation and hard work. Zion reveals how he once hunkered down for three months straight to improve his wrestling skills and how this commitment led him to success despite being in danger of getting stuck in his hometown. Craig shares how he and Zion met and built an au by Digital Social Hour

28 min listen

Sky High: The YPK Raye Interview Digital Social Hour #17: Hey there, it’s time for a new episode of Digital Social Hour and this week we have a very special guest with us, the amazing YPK Raye. In this episode, we’ll be talking to Raye about his passion for basketball and his journey to fame on social media. We kick off our conversation by asking Raye how he’s liking his new life in Las Vegas. We dive into the weather and the basketball runs there while Raye describes his talent for jumping. He has a captivating story of discovering it in high school and the thrill of his first dunk in the 10th grade. We then explore Raye’s background and his love for sports since he was just ten years old. He tells us about his highest vertical jump, almost 50 inches, and how he accomplished his first in-game dunk. Raye shares his social media success with us, talking about his videos based on his real-life experiences with basketball. We love his humor in rea by Digital Social Hour

20 min listen

Confessions of a Male Escort Turned Bedroom Coach with Sterling Cooper | Digital Social Hour #19: Hello listeners! In this week's Digital Social Hour episode, we have tantalizing discussions with Ari Gold, Sean Kelly, Wayne Lewis, and our special guest, Stirling Cooper. We delve into Stirling's exciting life as a porn actor and a straight male escort, where he explains how he used his natural ability to shine and refused to rely on drugs to enhance his performances. We explore Stirling's profession as a sexual performance coach, where he provides expert advice on how to beat the four horsemen of the dick apocalypse: erectile dysfunction, premature ejaculation, delayed ejaculation, and performance anxiety. As we continue our conversation, we touch on the intricate nuances of dating and the dating marketplace, where Stirling shares his experience and wisdom on what works and what doesn't. Swag and confidence are key to attracting by Digital Social Hour

34 min listen

From Setbacks to Success: Zay Jones' Inspiring NFL Journey | Digital Social Hour #15: I am excited to announce our latest podcast episode with NFL WR Zay Jones - a rising star in the NFL as a receiver who is coming off a fantastic year. Zay grew up in Austin, Texas, and played for Division I, where he holds the record for the most receptions. In this episode, Zay talks about his rookie year, his struggles, and how he eventually learned to appreciate the challenges and love playing football again. He also emphasizes the importance of persistence and comfort with failure, crucial to success in anything. Zay never followed the usual college application process to get a job in the NFL despite having the confidence and drive to play football professionally. He joined the Jacksonville Jaguars through free agency after a successful tenure with the Raiders. In the podcast, Zay also shares his experience of transitioning from college to the NFL as a person and in business. Approximatel by Digital Social Hour

31 min listen

Unveiling Credit Hacks: Credit Expert Reuben DeLeon | Digital Social Hour #49: Hey there, friends! Have I got an episode for you that's going to blow your mind and revolutionize the way you think about credit. So, picture this: at just 19 years old, I had a whopping $200,000 in credit cards. Crazy, right? In our latest episode, my awesome co-host Wayne and I dive deep into credit hacks, including the incredible method of building credit for homeless individuals. But that's not all, we also have a special guest joining us - the incredible Reuben Deleon! Trust me, you don't want to miss his insights on this topic. Now, let's talk about the power of credit points. I'm talking about having millions of points that equate to tens of thousands of dollars in free travel. Who wouldn't want that, right? We'll discuss the best ways to redeem those points, especially when it comes to flights and long-distance travel. And hey, ever wonder by Digital Social Hour

27 min listen

From Ad Agencies to AI: The Neil Patel Story | Digital Social Hour #24: In this episode of Digital Social Hour, our guest Neil Patel, a marketing expert, shares his journey in the marketing world since he was just 16 years old. Listen in as Patel shares how he generated an extra $5 million in revenue for a power supply manufacturer and then went on to start his own ad agency at the same age. Patel talks about the pandemic and how it has given rise to working from home. He believes that giving kids from inner cities the same opportunities and education as those from more affluent areas can create a level playing field. The podcast also delves into the future of AI, and how it won't replace humans anytime soon. Patel shares his knowledge on social media platforms such as TikTok, WhatsApp, and LinkedIn, and how they can effectively generate revenue. Upsells, down sells, and the role of email marketing are also discussed, along with the advantages of offering multiple payment o by Digital Social Hour

41 min listen

From Homelessness to Streetball Legend: Chris White on The Digital Social Hour #32: Hey everyone! I am beyond excited to present you with this latest Digital Social Hour podcast episode featuring the multitalented Chris White alongside myself, Sean Kelly, and Wayne Lewis! You simply cannot afford to miss out on this one. In this riveting conversation, Chris shares his journey in balancing his passion for music, entrepreneurship, and businesses. We dive into the essential life skills that schools have failed to teach, as Chris recounts his own personal experiences with unpaid taxes and overcoming obstacles. But Chris's story doesn't end there! Discover Chris's perspectives on the uniqueness of New York, living out your dreams, and how he gained traction for his YouTube channel through unapologetically authentic content. We also reflect on the world of streetball, emotional control and Chris's ambitious upcoming plans for creators by Digital Social Hour

28 min listen

Building a Successful Sales Career in Solar with Edmund Coutan | Digital Social Hour #26: Get ready folks, in this exhilarating podcast episode, we have the pleasure of welcoming the incredible Edmund Coutan to join Sean Kelly and Wayne Lewis! Strap in as our hosts and guest dive deep into the multi-faceted world of watch collecting, sales, and investments. Discover the secrets behind a $25 million watch collection and learn how Edmund's journey started in solar - with nothing but hard work and determination. But wait, there's more! As we compare watches to crypto and debate the merits of each, Edmund shares his thoughts on what makes the perfect salesperson and how coachability can lead to sales success. In this jam-packed episode, you'll also get a crash course in networking, hear jaw-dropping scam stories, and uncover priceless advice on personal development and decision-making. You'll walk away with a completely refreshed mindset on the power of i by Digital Social Hour

37 min listen

Selling Sunshine: The Rapid Rise of Simple Solar with Moe Falah | Digital Social Hour #44: Hold on to your headphones because this latest podcast episode is a goldmine! Listen now as I dive into an engaging conversation with Moe Falah, the ingenious mind behind a rapidly growing company that ranked 44 on Inc’s Fastest Growing Companies list. Mo delves into his entrepreneurial journey, revealing how he brought his company to a nine-figure valuation! A narrative that bubbles with ambition, persistence, and knack for success. This episode takes you through the roller-coaster ride of Mo's experience balancing stellar growth with personal relationships. And, she gives a hard truth about it: there's no balance during the ascent. It's a captivating lesson about temporary sacrifices for long-term victories that you need to understand. Dive in as we dissect different personalities in the industry. From the similarities and contrasts between Andrew Tate and Jordan Pe by Digital Social Hour

29 min listen

Frazier Kay: Navigating the Worlds of Esports, Boxing, and OnlyFans | Digital Social Hour #40: Hey there, podcast lovers! You're in for an explosive joyride full of wild stories, raw truths, and vibrant banter on this week's episode of the Digital Social Hour. Get ready to dive head-first into a thrilling exploration of red-hot topics ranging from online privacy to the world of professional boxing! Straight from the Vegas Boxing scene, we've got a riveting guest, Frazier K, to stun you with heart-throbbing tales of dangerous encounters, electrifying experiences, and how he woke up with a shotgun in his face – yes, you heard that right! Uncover the scandalous world of OnlyFans, the ethereal thrill of esports plus the side of social media you never thought existed. Brace yourself to cringe, laugh, gasp, and guffaw as our digital maestros Sean Kelly and Charlie Cavalier guide you through this rollercoaster of an episode. by Digital Social Hour

39 min listen

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