My guest this week is someone I've wanted to interview for quite a while. He is the proprietor over at The Symbolic World, none other than Jonathan Pageau himself. Jonathan is a French-Canadian icon carver, public speaker, and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world, how these patterns emerge and come together, manifesting in religion, art, and popular culture. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast. In this episode, we discuss the dark issues with AI and where the world is headed in that regard. We discuss how it works as far as "agency" goes, the demonic aspects of it, as well as what not to necessarily worry about. I get into art, beauty, Jordan Peterson, symbolism, and more. This episode is not to be missed! For more on Jonathan and his work, go here:   Sponsors: Amy Mastrine's art:   Expat Money Summit:   The Podsworth App: Get 50% off your first order at when you use code BUCK50 at checkout! Visit my website:  Donate to the show here:  Audio Production by Podsworth Media: Leave us a review and rating on iTunes! Thanks!