Jay & Katherine Wolf are joined by their dear friend, Curt Thompson, MD on this very special episode of the GoodHard Story Podcast recorded at our beloved Hope Heals Camp. In this episode, Curt shares about his newest book, The Deepest Place: Suffering and the Formation of Hope, and how suffering is a defining reality of life. Yet so many of us are so focused on avoiding discomfort that we've never learned how to actually suffer. But what if we could move from anxiety to durable hope? Katherine and Jay take a dive in with Curt on what hope in suffering looks like, and how to find hope amongst the heartache. Be sure to check out Curt's other books as well: The Anatomy of the Soul, The Soul of Desire and The Soul of Shame.  -------- Want some hope in your inbox? Sign up for our semi-monthly Hope Note for a little dose of hope and encouaragement along the way.  Learn more about us here: Hope Heals Hope Heals Camp  Mend Coffee Find us on Instagram