When I make a specific effort to talk to people about AI, the responses range from the occasional Chat GPT enthusiast to a much-more-common feigning of indifference, hinting at a deep insecurity and probably-quite-pronounced fear. This week's guest is perfectly placed to offer a degree of reassurance, or at least a bit more of a balanced view on the coming storm. And make no mistake, it is coming. Mat Dryhurst, along with Holly Herndon, has long been engaged in important work at the intersection of music and emergent tech, from the Holly+ project with its AI and web3 interaction, to haveibeentrained.com, which enables artists to opt out of Large Language Model training datasets, and the Interdependence podcast. We discuss aspects of those projects, as well as the more general trends and developments that will impact musicians and creative people over the coming months and years. This is an important one, covering some really crucial areas, but it's still a highly enjoyable listen... so get involved! If you're into what we're doing here on the pod then you can support the show on Patreon! There are two tiers - "Solidarity" for $4 a month, which features regular bonus podcasts and extra content. And "Musicality" which for a mere $10 a month gets you all the music we release on Hotflush and affiliate labels AND other music too, some of which never comes out anywhere else. Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation there in the public channels, so please do! Listen to all (most of) the music discussed on the show via the Not A Diving Podcast Spotify playlistFor more links and other info visit the official Scuba websiteFollow Scuba: twitter instagram bandcamp spotify apple music beatport