Chapters:00:00 Intro01:14 Introducing the guest Joel Pelsue 02:19 A Christian perspective on the meaning of beauty05:03 God is true, good, and beautiful 06:57 The Reformation and enlightenments role in devaluing beauty in arts08:26 The Catholic thinkers Hans Von Baltazar and Von Hildebrand09:17 Starting with objective beauty in evangelism11:57 How classical education led the way to saving Faith for Magnus14:20 Neglecting a message that speaks to artists and creatives15:32 C.S. Lewis on the idolatry of the arts16:06 Giving a tiny foretaste of Heaven16:46 Overcoming the baggage and becoming encouraged to create21:21 Where secular artists can get life and inspiration23.24 How to get help to be a successful artist from www.a-e-m.org