In 2023, there are two Europes: the Europe of the museums and the
beaches – and the real Europe as lived by its people. And that Europe
has changed dramatically in recent decades. 

The end of the Cold War collapsed many of the continent's political
barriers. European unification brought countries as diverse as Ireland
and Bulgaria under one umbrella. And more recently, a boom in migration,
especially from the Islamic world, has changed Europe’s demographics and
brought a host of opportunities, challenges, and political changes.

Today, the war in Ukraine has both created more solidarity among
European nations and highlighted their big differences; and it has
rattled the foundation of the region’s economy. 

On this episode of Playbook Deep Dive, host and Playbook co-author Ryan
Lizza talks with Ben Judah, author of “This Is Europe: The Way We Live
Now,” about why this history means that you probably need to update your
assumptions about Europe; and why it is that many American policymakers
simply don’t understand the realities that leaders like Emmanuel Macron,
Rishi Sunak, and Giorgia Meloni have to live with. 

Some of the reasons why will be familiar to Americans: immigration,
crime, and the rise of right-wing populism. But according to Ben’s new
book, their implications for Europe are quite different from those here
in the United States. And they open a whole tin of worms for the broader
notion of the Western alliance.

Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.
Ben Judah is a journalist, academic and the author of "This is Europe:
The Way We Live Now"
Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. 
Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.