Kathy Dice and Tom Wahl of Red Fern Farm in southeastern Iowa have been practicing agroforestry for decades. In July, podcast host Jacob Grace visited Red Fern Farm to ask Tom and Kathy what they see as the three biggest agroforestry mistakes people can make, learn what their most profitable tree crops are, and explore their established, profitable, and highy diverse agroforestry system.  Show notes and more at www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf