Increasingly, I’ve noticed a trend in how people are describing “having fun” – and so much of that time, what they’re doing is scrolling thru TikTok or Instagram – Reddit  or Quora – or any online communications app. Even people who are actively struggling with depression will tell me how the major way they “distract” themselves is through focusing on what they can find on their screens.  This... despite all kind of studies showing that the more you interact or are “on” your phone, the more depressed you can become. I’m not advocating that anyone get rid of their phone. But… I do think that a way out of depression is finding tiny bits of fun. I found a “fun” expert – science journalist and TED speaker, Catherine Davis..  We’ll talk about her work and research – and use it to wonder together about how you might be experiencing depression and still be able to find “fun.” On a much different note. the voicemail today is from a woman who’d told her husband she was leaving him due to his narcissistic behaviors over 40 years. And then, he fell, broke his back and required extensive hospitalization and has become someone who needs ongoing care for a dementia that will only worsen over time. What would you do? Our Advertiser's Links:  Click HERE for the NEW fabulous offer from AG1 - with bonus product with your subscription! Have you been putting off getting help? BetterHelp, the #1 online therapy provider, has a special offer for you now! Other Vital Links: "Happiness" article by Laurie Santos Catherine Price's TED talk Catherine Price's book  How To Break Up With Your Phone Episode Transcript!  This is SelfWork. And I'm Dr. Margaret Rutherford. At Self-Work, we'll discuss psychological and emotional issues common in today's world and what to do about them. I'm Dr. Margaret and SelfWork is a podcast dedicated to you taking just a few minutes today for your own selfwork. Hello and welcome or welcome back to SelfWork. I'm Dr. Margaret Rutherford. I'm a clinical psychologist and about seven years ago now, or almost seven years ago, I decided to extend the walls of my practice to those of you who might already be very interested in psychological issues or have sought therapy for yourself, to those of you who've just been figuring out some sort of problem or issue and you want some advice, and to a third group, to those of you who might be just a little more skeptical about mental health treatment and what you could do to help yourself with depression or anxiety, I'm glad for all of you to be here. I wanna remind you that my TEDx talk is out and I will have the link for it in the show notes. I'm very excited as I record this. We're closing in on 9,000 views and it's only been out for four or five days, so I'm so pleased that the message is getting out and you're part of that. So if you've already listened or viewed, actually thank you for that. You can let me know by commenting. And for those of you who want to, it's about a 15 minute video on YouTube. You could also just go to YouTube and put in Dr. Margaret Rutherford and TEDx and it'll come up. So today we're gonna be talking about having fun. Increasingly, I've noticed a big trend in how people who see me are describing having fun and so much of that time what they're doing is scrolling through TikTok or Instagram, Reddit or Quora or any online communications app. Even people who are actively struggling with depression will tell me the major way they distract themselves is through focusing on what they can find on their screens. This, despite all kinds of studies showing that the more you interact or are on your phone, the more depressed you can become. I have a cell phone, which I use quite a lot, and I have fun on some of the apps I have. I get it. Yet.just this morning when my husband and I went out to a local diner for breakfast, we saw a couple. And then they weren't young, but they were older, both with one hand holding their fork with their food, while with the other hand ,th