This week on Sinica, Kaiser chats with Elsa Kania, a Ph.D. candidate in Harvard University's Department of Government and adjunct fellow at the Center for a New American Security who researches China's military strategy, defense innovation, and emerging technologies. Elsa joins the show to discuss China’s push for Military-Civil Fusion, debunking some of the myths about the program that U.S. pundits and policymakers have imbibed.03:54 – Did the concept of Military-Civil Fusion start with the leadership of Xi Jinping?06:48 What were the barriers to MCF’s successful implementation before Xi’s leadership?09:50 – The comparison between attempts and successes of MCF in China and the U.S.15:39 – Areas of focus of China’s MCF. Which areas offer the most significant possibility for success?20:17 – A look at the perceived legal obligation of Chinese companies to participate in MCF24:59 – The collaboration between Chinese and American researchers in light of MCF31:00 – The awareness of Chinese policy-makers of the sensitivities associated with MCF by other nations34:56 – Does MCF have the same place of prominence in the Biden administration that it did in the Trump’ administration?37:20 – How should we approach the policy of MCF?42:27 – Is the U.S. trying to “out-China” China?A complete transcript of this podcast is available at TheChinaProject.com.Recommendations:Elsa: Translation State by Ann LeckieKaiser: A recipe for making homemade nuomi cha / genmai cha — green tea with roasted glutinous riceSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.