On this episode we go deep, very deep, to the bottom of the sea to discuss the future of seabed with Phil McCabe, an activist on this issue of seabed conservation from New Zealand. For five years, Phil served as the Chairperson of Kiwis Against Seabed Mining (KASM), during which he led a ground-up, cross-sector movement successfully challenging three global precedent-setting seabed mining applications in New Zealand’s courts. We discuss the battles Phil has lead, the specific court cases, as well as the global state of seabed conservation. Phil is currently the Pacific Lead for the Deep Sea Conservation Coalition.  We discuss  how he works to connect activists across the Pacific region on  deep sea mining issues and the work they do to bring community and stake-holder concerns to the wider public and into decision-making rooms. Come on down and touch the bottom, only on ASPN!