In this bonus episode, the BBC’S International Editor Jeremy Bowen and Disinformation and Social Media Correspondent Marianna Spring talk about their respective new podcasts: Frontlines of Journalism and Marianna in Conspiracyland.

They reflect on the obstacles that stand between journalists and the truth and the conspiracy theory movement that seems to have boomed in the UK after Covid. Exploring the similarities and differences of their journalistic specialisms, they discuss techniques to hold interviewees to account – especially when their position is based on disinformation - and the significance of social media in modern journalism.

Host: Marianna Spring
Producers: Georgia Catt, Emma Close
Producer for BBC Radio 4 podcasts: Nathan Jones
Senior news editor: Sam Bonham
Commissioner: Rhian Roberts