The current World Longboard Champ joins us to discuss the ecstasy and obligation that comes with achieving your life's goals, the virtue and burden of being "underrated", the value of defying definition as a professional surfer in 2023, and why fans and brands will always have demand for hard workers. Enjoy!
Into music: Allen Toussaint, Southern Nights
Outro music: Calexico, Alone Again Or
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