Today on the flagship podcast of open-source lightbulbs: 
David Pierce chats with Verge investigations editor Josh Dzieza about his story detailing how humans matter far more to AI development than we may have thought.
Inside the AI Factory: the humans that make tech seem human

Later, smart home reviewer Jennifer Pattison Tuohy explains why we're probably getting the idea of a “smart home” all wrong.

Smart homes for smart people

How microgrids and smart homes are shaping our energy-independent future

Every device that works with Matter

What is a smart home, and do you need one?

How to pick a smart home platform

From brilliant to basic, here are our smart home setups


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