This week Murphy and Gibbs were joined by the man who wears many hats, both literally and figuratively, Mark McKinnon of Showtime’s “The Circus”. The Hacks break down the debt ceiling negotiations, what cat herding and goat rodeos are going on behind the scenes, the GOP race for the White House, DeSantis v. Trump, and also DeSantis v. technology. Plus, Murphy plays around with ChatGPT during the listener mailbag.