In this episode Mark wanted to talk about why he was so tired but Jana wanted to debate capitalism... they found no agreement but covered some interesting ground, including supervenience, the biophysical, explanation in social science, Amazon deliveries and the nature of late capitalism. 
Thanks to @2kwanya (and @GubernatorHomo) for our music and @milan_stuermer for suggesting our name. Find out more about our work at www.janabacevic.net and www.markcarrigan.net