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Ep. 275 E&M Coding Part 2 with Dr. Ryan Trojan

Ep. 275 E&M Coding Part 2 with Dr. Ryan Trojan

FromBackTable Vascular & Interventional


Ep. 275 E&M Coding Part 2 with Dr. Ryan Trojan

FromBackTable Vascular & Interventional

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Length:
32 minutes
Released:
Dec 23, 2022
Format:
Podcast episode

Description

In this episode, host Dr. Ally Baheti interviews interventional radiologist Dr. Ryan Trojan about recent changes to the AMA’s evaluation and management (E&M) coding in the inpatient and outpatient settings.

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SHOW NOTES

Dr. Trojan reflects on changes in his practice since his first BackTable interview in March 2021. Onboarding a nurse practitioner made a large difference in being able to bill for follow up visits. Dr. Trojan also notes that some complex procedures require prior consultation, while other simple procedures do not. This categorization depends on the practice structure.

Next, we discuss the 2021 changes to outpatient E&M coding, which will also be reflected in 2023 changes to inpatient coding. These changes place more emphasis on time-based billing and allows physicians to bill for telehealth time with patients before / after / during their visit, as opposed to only face-to-face visits. Dr. Trojan relies on time-based billing more than component-based billing, since time spent with the patient reflects the complexities and comorbidities of each patient’s case. His initial appointment codes typically fall in the level 4 or 5 categories, which indicate moderate or high complexity. Follow up codes usually qualify as level 3, which indicates low complexity.

Finally, Dr. Trojan responds to questions from the audience about understanding global periods, billing for diagnostic and interventional service within the same practice, and billing for consults. Overall, he emphasizes the importance of documenting patient encounters and coding to capture revenue and recognize IR contributions to patient care.

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RESOURCES

Episode 116- E&M Coding 101:
https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/116/evaluation-management-em-coding-101

AMA 2022 E&M Guidelines:
https://www.ama-assn.org/practice-management/cpt/cpt-evaluation-and-management

Email:
ryan.trojan@integrisok.com
Released:
Dec 23, 2022
Format:
Podcast episode

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The BackTable Podcast is a resource for interventional radiologists, vascular surgeons, interventional cardiologists, and other interventional and endovascular specialists to learn tips, techniques, and the ins and outs of the devices in their cabinets. Listen on BackTable.com or on the streaming platform of your choice. You can also visit www.BackTable.com to browse our open access, physician-catered knowledge center for all things vascular and interventional; now featuring practice tools, procedure walkthroughs, and expert guidance on more than 40 endovascular procedures.