The writings of underground filmmaker Jack Smith serve as a starting point for Phil and JF's second tour of the trash stratum. In their wanderings, they will uncover such moldy jewels as the 1944 film Cobra Woman, the exploitation flick She-Devils on Wheels, and (wonder of wonders) Hitchcock's Vertigo. The emergent focus of the conversation is the dichotomy of passionate commitment and ironic perspective, attitudes that largely determine whether a given object will turn out to appear as a negligible piece of garbage... or the Holy Grail. By the end, our hosts realize that even their own personal trash strata may give off shimmers of the divine.
Jack Smith, [Flaming Creatures](https://www.moma.org/learn/momalearning/jack-smith-flaming-creatures-1962-1963)_
Robert Siodmak (director), Cobra Woman (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0036716/) (1944)
Jack Smith, "The Perfect Filmic Appositeness of Maria Montez"
Roger Scruton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Scruton), English philosopher
[Mystery Science Theater 3000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MysteryScienceTheater3000)_ (TV series)
Kenneth Burke (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Burke), American literary theorist
Alfred Hitchcock (director), Vertigo (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052357/) (1958)
Fyodor Dostoevsky, [Notes from Underground](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NotesfromUnderground)
Charles Ludlam's Theater of the Ridiculous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre_of_the_Ridiculous)
Mel Brooks (director), [High Anxiety](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HighAnxiety)_ (1977)
"Ironic Porn Purchase Leads to Unironic Ejaculation" (https://local.theonion.com/ironic-porn-purchase-leads-to-unironic-ejaculation-1819565403), The Onion (1999)
James Carse, [Finite and Infinite Games](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiniteandInfiniteGames)_
Jorge Luis Borges, "The Approach to Al-Mu'tasim" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Approach_to_Al-Mu%27tasim)
Herschell Gordon Louis (director), She-Devils on Wheels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TosyNe9nzQ)
André Bazin, What is Cinema? (https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520242272/what-is-cinema)
Erik Davis, "The Alchemy of Trash" (https://techgnosis.com/the-alchemy-of-trash/)
David Lynch, Mulholland Drive (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/)
William James, [The Varieties of Religious Experience](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheVarietiesofReligiousExperience)
Phil Ford, "Birth of the Weird" (https://dialmformusicology.com/2018/02/07/birth-of-the-weird/)