This is my second sit-down interview with Trevor Horn and you’ll hear why it’s nothing like the first time.

The previous interview (episode number 43) made quite an impression with Wikipedia’s editors, who included Trevor’s “I believe in Judaism, more than I believe in anything else, really” as a key reference.

On leaving last time, Trevor told me at the door, "no one'ever asked me about that before".

And we expand on his religious beliefs in this episode, how Shabbat is important and reading the Torah illuminating.

We also touchingly remember his late wife, Jill Sinclair with a couple of Jewish jokes she used to tell him.

Trevor talks about growing up as a Baby Boomer in a poor 50s northern town, how the family left to secure their future in the prosperous midlands (as my own family did a generation before), how Paul McCartney’s constant reinvention is a key to longevity and his own determination to keep working. We squeeze in a bit of Rod too.

Trevor’s been touring in the US as Seal’s musical director and support band, The Buggles, reuniting with his old friend, Geoff Downes, propelling him to fame before he changed tack to become a record producer on Jill’s recommendation.

There’s a stem-by-stem analysis of the brilliant “whiz bang” Owner of a Lonely Heart, The Art of Noise, ABC’s band manifesto, the Belfast Child of The Simple Minds and why Two Tribe by Frankie Goes to Hollywood sounds like the Hatikvah!

I had another hour of questions for Trevor, of course. But I hope this gives you a snapshot of what a talented and modest man he is and why I’ve been a fan since my teenage years.

They say, “never meet your heroes”. What a load of rubbish!

Dear Listener, this is Trevor Horn II.

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