Herb Sutter joins Phil and Timur. We catch up on the news about LLVM 16 being released, a new book on initialisation in C++ and a couple of new user groups. Then we talk to Herb about his new language/ alternate syntax, Cpp2, which compiles down to C++ in much the same way that C with Classes compiled down to C. Show Notes News LLVM 16.0.0 released "C++ initialisation story" - a new book by Bartlomiej Filipek New user group forming in Prague - Miloš Anđelković New user group forming in Helsinki - Timur Doumler Links CppFront - the compiler for Cpp2 "Can C++ be 10x Simpler & Safer?" - Herb's CppCon keynote introducing Cpp2 and CppFront