DevOps may have started out as a foreign concept a decade ago, but today, it’s front and center in many organizations’ product strategies. In today’s episode, Adam interviews Robert Wen about his new book, SAFe for DevOps Practitioners. They discuss the three key themes of the book—one of which might be the most valuable skill to learn for the next evolution of the digital age—as well as topics including the recent release of SAFe® 6.0, where Robert got his inspiration for the book, and the holy grail of hardware-software integration.