Here's that interview I promised you all last week. I'm speaking with writer Branko Marcetic, who has been covering Donald Trump's trip to the NATO summit and his meeting with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki for Jacobin and In These Times. He's been doing some great work countering the overwrought conventional narratives about both events. We discuss what really happened in Brussels and Helsinki and talk about NATO's superfluous post-Cold War existence. This one is open to the public. Enjoy!Links:"The Mysteriously Vanished NATO Critique" for Jacobin"The NATO Summit Wasn’t a Victory for Trump—It Was a Victory for Militarism" for In These Times"What the Liberal Establishment Gets Wrong About the Trump-Putin Summit" also for In These TimesFollow Branko on Twitter This is a public episode. If you’d like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit fx.substack.com/subscribe