Matthew Caws of Nada Surf and lifelong friend, artist Melissa Unger discuss the music and artwork that brings the band’s latest album ‘Never Not Together’ to life and uncover new layers behind the record’s biggest themes. In this debut episode of the new Making Ways podcast, hear about Matthew and Melissa’s creative practices, the value of ritual, what it means to catch creative fire with hot hands, and why taking a cold shower might not be such a bad idea. Follow Making Ways for stories behind the art of music. Discover Nada Surf's music at nadasurf.com and learn more about Melissa Unger and Seymour Projects at seymourprojects.com.All music used by permission of band, label, and publisher. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.