“You cannot have trust unless you build relationships. You HAVE to build relationships.”Join cohost Augustine Colebrook this week as she welcomes CNM Jamie Guertin to the show. Jamie shares her experience as a military midwife and her personal journey to home birth after three hospital births. Later, they explore the often-complicated relationship between CNMs and CPMs and offer practical advice for building stronger connections. Jamie also offers insights into navigating a hospital transfer, whether you're switching to a midwife or an OB.Show Resources-A Midwife Nation-Midwifery Wisdom SBAR form