Grab your popcorn and get ready for one incredible episode! This week cohost Augustine Colebrook talks with two retired midwives, Vicki Taylor-Breheim and Pat Schwaiger. They share the stories of their roads to midwifery, practicing in illegal states, being taken to court, some incredible birth stories, and transitioning out of midwifery. New and seasoned midwives alike, you need to hear the wisdom these retired midwives have to share.