When I invited Rob Avis of Verge Permaculture to come on the podcast, I thought we'd be talking about food forests and garden design.Little did I know we'd be diving guilt around existence, how to use problems as a roadmap to solutions, and strategies for thinking holistically in every area of life. This is one of my top 5 favorite interviews to date- don't miss it!Be sure to check out Toups & Co, a small homestead family that makes amazing skin products from natural ingredients. Go to ThePrairieHomestead.com/makeup and save 15% with code HOMESTEAD.Learn more about the Modern Homestead Conference here: https://modernhomesteading.com/ Where to find Rob Avis: http://theprairiehomestead.com/verge  Use the code: oldfashioned100 for $100 CAD off any level Permaculture Design Certification (expires May 31, 2023) Weekly musings from my homestead: http://theprairiehomestead.com/letterMy essays on an old-fashioned life: www.prairiephilosophy.comMy homesteading tutorials & recipes: www.theprairiehomestead.comOur Wyoming-raised, grass-finished beef: http://genuinebeefco.comJill on Twitter: http://twitter.com/homesteaderJill on Instagram: @jill.wingerJill on Facebook: http://facebook.com/theprairiehomestead