How do we grow steady legs of resilience in uncertain times? In this episode Amisha talks with Ronan Harrington, a resilience expert and accomplished voice on the transformative power of adversity. He advises organisations and institutions on how to move from Burnout to Resilience and counts Deloitte, KPMG, Sky, the UK Government and Oxford University amongst his clients. He has held a variety of roles bridging personal and societal transformation as lead futurist to the British Foreign Office, co-coordinator for the political strategy for Extinction Rebellion and founder of Alter Ego, a European network of political leaders and activists growing connection between spirituality and politics. Ronan speaks about his strive to transform the political frameworks of our time by introducing spirituality and mysticism into its mainstream to forge deep cultural change. He believes that political acts can be acts of grace and his work with Alter Ego, was a space to decondition and nourish political leaders and activists into integrity. Amisha and Ronan share their personal histories of burn out and chronic health conditions, and how it has affected the way they move in the world. They recognise that attempting cultural transformation requires us to have a well-resourced support structure; financially, spiritually, emotionally and physically. Ronan talks about his work as a resilience leader finding ways to equip us with soft foundations and strong cores that can move with the tremors of our time. We learn that our times call for us to increase our forms of resilience in ways that enable us to embrace dualities, and to hold ultimate grief and ultimate possibility at the same time; muscles we need to grow to be able to fly closer to the sun. Links from this episode and more at allthatweare.org