Listen as William and Anita discuss the life of Muhammad Ali Jinnah. They will discuss the pivotal role he played in the creation of Pakistan, his rivalry with Gandhi, and the vision he had for his nation's future. Plus, we are very fortunate to be joined at the end by the wonderful Ayesha Jalal.

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