Berlin, 2019: One cold night in January, warming with hot whiskey and cloves I finally had the pleasure of speaking with Mr Winters @this_occult_life in Columbus, Ohio. Winters brings a degree of class to his magic and art we should all aspire to and I confess I was perhaps a little carried away with excitement and so having recently caught up with him now the other day I look forward to a part two of this chat. Also, we recorded using the native anchor software to record so after being locked out of my old Occult Magic Podcast I had to “export” this track by playing the old and laying this recorder on the computer yesterday after which my computer died completely. Additionally on May 5, 2020 a part two has been added as follow up to our Jan 3rd casting in 2019.

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