Calum, Kirsty and Frankie discuss the politics and policy of Rishi Sunak's plan to "stop the boats." What's behind the rhetoric, what's behind the policy? Why do the public care so much - are they right to care? Moreover, we assess how this plays into the electoral strategy of both Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer. Frankie guides us through some of the difficulties in the plan, based on her experience working with people coming to the UK. Plus we're joined by special guest, former Special Adviser Peter Cardwell. Peter is political editor of TalkRadio, former special adviser to four cabinet ministers and author of The Secret Life of Special Advisers. He dissects for us how this issues plays politically and why it's important. Kirsty discusses whether or not the policy will ever have any real world outcome on anything - or whether legal challenges will keep it as grounded as a deportation flight bound for Rwanda. And Gary Lineker gets described as "the right's most useful idiot..."