Getting everyone on a stage and geeking out with an audience makes for an amazing episode. We had a special guest Jeanne Boyarsky and discussed Hibernate + Graal, Google involvement in Open Source, and Oracle claiming everyone wants copywrited APIs (spoiler alert, we don't). We also played a fun game of "What's that Acronym". We then dive into a big discussion on Continuing Education for us Java Developers, including Java Certificates, Bootcamps, and other ways for us to either get into or update our info in the field. Does Certification make sense? Should you try a BootCamp? Come and take a listen as we explore the interesting and winding road of self-actualization. We thank DataDogHQ for sponsoring this podcast episode DO follow us on twitter @offheap Hibernate GRAAL support Google going cold on OSS Foundations? Oracle believes most companies support their position on copyright APIs or maybe not :)