China-US relations are at an all time low and this episode is a deep-dive into how we got here with Washington Post Columnist Josh Rogin. 

In part two of Jill and Mosh’s conversation with Rogin, we talk about how likely a potential Chinese invasion of Taiwan is, how the US might get involved (or not) and where Trump and Biden have done well and failed with Chinese leaders over the last six years. We also discuss some of Rogin’s groundbreaking reporting on Covid, the Wuhan lab and the state of the investigation into the origins of the virus. 

Rogin has covered China issues for several decades and has a new book out on the topic called “Chaos Under Heaven.” You can catch him on Twitter @joshrogin on all things foreign policy. Separately, he also has an Instagram account @watchtheramen devoted to his love of ramen and watches. 


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Mosheh Oinounou (@mosheh) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022.
Jill Wagner (@jillrwagner) is an Emmy and Murrow award- winning journalist. She's currently the Managing Editor of the Mo News newsletter and previously worked as a reporter for CBS News, Cheddar News, and News 12. She also co-founded the Need2Know newsletter, and has made it a goal to drop a Seinfeld reference into every Mo News podcast.
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