As we assess the fallout from the Chinese Spy Balloon drama, the Mo News podcast takes a step back and looks into the state of US-China relations with Washington Post Columnist Josh Rogin. 

In part one of Jill and Mosh’s conversation with Rogin, we talk about what China’s strategy was regarding the balloon and how it reflects the increasing tension between the two nations over the last few decades. We also talk about the ongoing conversation about Tik Tok and whether that presents a national security threat to Americans. 

Rogin has covered China issues for several decades, including breaking news on the Wuhan Lab in 2020, and has a new book out on the topic called “Chaos Under Heaven.” You can catch him on Twitter @joshrogin on all things foreign policy. Separately, he also has an Instagram account @watchtheramen devoted to his love of ramen and watches. 


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Mosheh Oinounou (@mosheh) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022.
Jill Wagner (@jillrwagner) is an Emmy and Murrow award- winning journalist. She's currently the Managing Editor of the Mo News newsletter and previously worked as a reporter for CBS News, Cheddar News, and News 12. She also co-founded the Need2Know newsletter, and has made it a goal to drop a Seinfeld reference into every Mo News podcast.
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