Spelunky creator Derek Yu returns for an expansive discussion on the membrane between players/devs, the connection between design/process, and the understated influence of arcade games on his work - all through the lens of what we've been playing and thinking about in quarantine. Some things we discussed: Derek Yu UFO 50 Noita Animal Crossing: New Horizons AC:NH QoL fan video Marina Abramović Streets of Rage 4 Metal Slug X Rainbow Islands: The Story of Bubble Bobble 2 Web Liero Scourgebringer Bargain Basement Bathysphere Gals' Fighters boardgamearena.com Can’t Stop Acquire Innovation Sea Block Factorio mod SnowRunner Caveblazers Miasmata Escape From Tarkov Gutwhale  Just One Lost Cities Azul What Up With That?