This week, Rick is joined by the political jack of all trades, John Podesta. Among serving as special counsel on climate policy to President Obama; he was the Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton; was a member of the U.N. Secretary General’s High-Level Panel of Eminent Persons on the Post-2015 Development Agenda; and chaired Hillary Clinton's 2016 Presidential Campaign. Listen in as Rick and John discuss the origin of polarization in the U.S., the work of the Center for American Progress, and John's thoughts on the role of the White House Chief of Staff.