In December of 2019, "The Salad Days" film was released telling a brief story of Herm Hoops's life.  He landed his dream job as a Ranger at Dinosaur National Monument, home of Echo Park.  He boated Desoloation Canyon on the Green River again and again and again.  Possibly his last trip down Deso is documented in "The Salad Days."  This interview is with Herm Hoops, his wife Valerie Hoops and film maker Cody Perry.  They talk about Herms life, the concepts of this film, and rivers need the boaters to care for the rivers, and how Herm sees his life.