Derwin Gray is back on the podcast! And this time, he joins us LIVE in studio! On today’s episode, Patrick and Derwin talk about his latest book, How To Heal Our Racial Divide, which examines what the Bible has to say about healing the persistent racial divides that threaten our nation. Derwin is a former NFL player and the founding and lead pastor of Transformation Church, one of the fastest-growing churches in America. Hear him discuss how he personally handles racial hatred and animosity he’s encountered. Plus, what’s so bad about segregated churches anyway? Is nationalism really that bad for your faith? Listen as Derwin answers these tough questions and issues a specific challenge to white Christians on how to confront systemic racism head-on. Don’t miss this one!

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