The concluding part (Part 2b) of a conversation with Kevin Mark Low talking on Leaders in Architecture Education & Practice, with Naziaty Mohd Yaacob, Talk Architecture podcast host.Topics include:1. The problem in schools of architecture are teaching students to be a successful designer (not 'architect' - there is a difference!) "You cannot be half an architect" (quote)2. How to become a more complete thinker, better manager, contractor, and human being.©️Talk Architecture 2022, Author: Naziaty Mohd Yaacob. Photo (artwork): Kevin Mark Low.