Chris and Andy talk about the penultimate episode of 'Andor,' and what they could possibly be building up to for the finale (1:00). Then, Andy is joined by Joe Brumm, the creator of the animated series 'Bluey,' to talk about what makes the show so special (30:29) and how he manages to write every episode (49:24).

Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald
Guest: Joe Brumm
Producer: Kaya McMullen
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