Chris and Patrick talk to Norman Carreck - a well-known bee scientist - about his love and passion for bees; both as a beekeeper and a scientist.  Sensitive to the needs of bees, Norman gives us his opinion on a whole raft of topics: what constitutes indigenous or alien species, the wonderful adaptability of bees, asian hornet, successful species of bee, stress and the movement of bees, plants and animals by humans, the Covid-19 pandemic, disease, local bees and tolerance of disease, inbreeding, Peter Tomkin, the longevity of beekeepers, getting young people involved, 5G and EMF.