Steve and Rich are joined by John Bond, children's book author and illustrator, for a chat about the sacrifices we make as fathers… and why we're happy to make them.John - whose first book Mini Rabbit: Not Lost is out now - talks about how starting a family saw him go from half of a young hip couple living in a city, to a family man out in the sticks.And Steve and Rich can definitely relate… For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy