Come for the rats that play basketball, and stay for the penguin conservation facts as I bring you an interview with Katie Propp, who works at Penguins International! In this episode, we talk about the incredible in situ conservation efforts being undertaken by Penguins International, and have a long conversation about reasons to have hope for the future of animal conservation!  Katie is not only incredibly passionate, but also a lot of fun! You can check Katie out on Instagram @wildlifekatie , and check out www.penguinsinternational.org and @penguins_international to learn more about the amazing work this relatively new organization is doing!Also, don't forget: @rossifari, rossifari.com, patreon.com/rossifari, and rossifari.redbubble.com for all the cool pod stuff!